Official File parts/s/41850s01.dat
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0 ~Minifig Brick 2 x 2 with Steering Wheel Half
0 Name: s\41850s01.dat
0 Author: Jasper Speelman [JappaWakka]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Subpart UPDATE 2024-11
0 !LICENSE Licensed under CC BY 4.0 : see CAreadme.txt
0 BFC CERTIFY CCW
0 !HISTORY 2024-12-30 [OrionP] Official Update 2024-11
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2024-11-11 14:45:23
Properly sorted the lines by type and color.
you should get rid of the center vertices of straight edges... (merge to other vertices)
and the LDraw specs use somewhat "ideal" values on connections, so look to get the outer corners to nice round values.
for example, the corners are at 16.048 and 20.06, try to get these to 16 and 20.
same for the "neck" connection point, instead of -24.072 use -24
to do that, try using the LDPE
and the LDraw specs use somewhat "ideal" values on connections, so look to get the outer corners to nice round values.
for example, the corners are at 16.048 and 20.06, try to get these to 16 and 20.
same for the "neck" connection point, instead of -24.072 use -24
to do that, try using the LDPE
2024-11-11 19:15:32
I don't understand what you mean by merge to other vertices. Also I can't work with ldpe. Nothing in that tool works like it should and it stresses me out. I click a vertex, I click on the move tool, I try to use the gizmo to move... Vertex doesn't move. That doesn't make any sense.
2024-11-11 19:29:54
you dont have to "drag" the vertices...
for example, try to select one of the multiple ones at the lower rim, and use "Actions -> Merge to Nearest Vertex", it should be gone because it got "merged" with another one.
LDPE automatically reconfigures the quads and triangles.
if it merges to the wrong one, go back (undo) and try moving it manually by editing the values directly (if you select a single vertex, it opens a small window where you can modificate the values directly).
Also use that small window to get 20.000000 at the corners.
for example, try to select one of the multiple ones at the lower rim, and use "Actions -> Merge to Nearest Vertex", it should be gone because it got "merged" with another one.
LDPE automatically reconfigures the quads and triangles.
if it merges to the wrong one, go back (undo) and try moving it manually by editing the values directly (if you select a single vertex, it opens a small window where you can modificate the values directly).
Also use that small window to get 20.000000 at the corners.
2024-11-11 19:51:31
What do you mean by "lower rim" and "center vertices of straight edges"
2024-11-11 20:01:05
the "bottom" of the part where it connects to other parts...
there are vertexes in a line, which should be avoided
there are vertexes in a line, which should be avoided
2024-11-11 20:51:59
Might you be able to use a 24cylc for the underside hole?
2024-11-11 20:55:07
Or rather 2-4cylo as it appears the hole may have a conical top on closer inspection.
2024-11-12 05:07:04
Vertexes in a line? https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-28488-post-55577.html#pid55577
Post a picture in this thread you're not making sense with just words.
Post a picture in this thread you're not making sense with just words.
Attempted to fix some things like:
- Rounding the vertices (turned out to be a wrong export setting causing that)
- Merging a certain vertex at the bottom.
- Auto-adding some condlines and lines in the main part file.
- Replacing the hole at the bottom side with a cylinder and a disc.
- Rounding the vertices (turned out to be a wrong export setting causing that)
- Merging a certain vertex at the bottom.
- Auto-adding some condlines and lines in the main part file.
- Replacing the hole at the bottom side with a cylinder and a disc.
2024-11-12 18:17:34
you should get rid of ALL line-vertexes
Fixed the backside in the subpart and replaced the latest requested lines in the main part.
2024-11-13 07:56:11
"you should get rid of ALL line-vertexes"
what do you mean?
what do you mean?
2024-11-13 07:58:24
aren't some of them necessary for making shapes with more vertices attach to shapes with less?
2024-11-13 08:02:45
post a picture in the forum post I linked so I can understand what you mean. you're not making as much sense as you think you're making. you're talking to an absolute ldraw noob here, so a little patience and cooperation would be helpful.
2024-11-13 08:12:36
If there are no middle vertices on the bottom side, then there's not really anything to connect the other vertices to. I can't connect every bloody thing to the corner vertices, only to them split again to the vertices for the bottom side shapes, can I? that's nonsense.
2024-11-13 08:13:04
So I'd love to hear what you actually mean by you showing me a picture in the forum post
2024-11-13 08:37:42
I seem to understand what Rene means, but I don't have currently access to LDPE to show you, will follow up later today
2024-11-13 09:26:27
I added some pictures to your forum post.
Hopefully merged all vertices that needed to be merged. Also added a 4-4ndis around the neck.
2024-11-13 11:10:04
maybe add a 4-4ndis on the bottom cylinder
2024-11-13 11:33:36
Looks much better! Thanks Chris, Jasper
2024-11-13 11:49:47
Much better!
Sorry if that sounded rude before...
Still needs some work:
Should the "Seat" at the back should get two more Edgelines? (side/back)
The "Legs" still have some Vertexes on a straight lines
maybe even get the long quads at the seam into longer quads in the main file (to reduce vertexes at the seam)
for example, here ( https://library.ldraw.org/parts/32177 ) the halves are joined by long quads across
Sorry if that sounded rude before...
Still needs some work:
Should the "Seat" at the back should get two more Edgelines? (side/back)
The "Legs" still have some Vertexes on a straight lines
maybe even get the long quads at the seam into longer quads in the main file (to reduce vertexes at the seam)
for example, here ( https://library.ldraw.org/parts/32177 ) the halves are joined by long quads across
Added a 4-4ndis on the bottom cylinder.
Added two lines to the back of the seat
Merged some vertices near the "feet"
I'm not sure how to add faces in LDPE. If it goes as well as manually adding (cond)lines (in other words, not possible for some reason) then I'm not sure if that would work out.
Added two lines to the back of the seat
Merged some vertices near the "feet"
I'm not sure how to add faces in LDPE. If it goes as well as manually adding (cond)lines (in other words, not possible for some reason) then I'm not sure if that would work out.
2024-11-13 18:23:04
There are two inverted triangles, in where the bottom 4-4ndis goes.
Did the backface thing, now they're not red anymore.
2024-11-14 14:25:49
I think it is best if the description have the word "Half" at the end.
Added "Half" to the description.
2024-11-15 01:28:58
Some of the triangles could probably be merged into quads.
2024-11-15 08:09:19
A lot of the triangles were quads but it gave a bunch of errors and I quick fixed everything and it made them triangles. I don't know what triangles you mean specifically though but like does it matter whether it's one or two faces that much? It's still 4 vertices, right? Of course I don't know how ldraw renders the model...
2024-11-15 08:10:24
Like I pressed the "quick fix similar problems" button in LDPE is shat I meant
2024-11-15 15:09:13
If it's really important that some triangles become quads, please post a picture on this forum thread pointing them out: https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-28488-post-55577.html#pid55577
2024-11-15 15:36:16
You can just use Rectifier to merge the triangles automatically (LDPE -> Tools -> Rectifier, just use standard settings and press ok). That way everything "merge-able" becomes quads and it shouldn't produce errors.
2024-11-15 15:55:53
looks like in these photos
https://img.brickowl.com/files/image_cache/larger/lego-blue-racer-minifigure-1485185.jpg
https://img.brickowl.com/files/image_cache/larger/lego-brick-2-x-2-with-driver-and-neck-stud-41850-1734655.jpg
https://img.brickscout.com/d5/d2/8a/19/69/8a/42/18/be/a3/3c/35/e8/3f/c0/d6/279x279.png
that the steering shaft could be turned into a cyli primitive
https://img.brickowl.com/files/image_cache/larger/lego-blue-racer-minifigure-1485185.jpg
https://img.brickowl.com/files/image_cache/larger/lego-brick-2-x-2-with-driver-and-neck-stud-41850-1734655.jpg
https://img.brickscout.com/d5/d2/8a/19/69/8a/42/18/be/a3/3c/35/e8/3f/c0/d6/279x279.png
that the steering shaft could be turned into a cyli primitive
Tried to turn some triangles into quads. Managed to get the subpart dat file from 852 lines of text to 780 lines, so that probably means I did something different!
2024-11-15 17:09:03
but Jeff, how will it attach to the rest of the model? it doesn't have a perfectly cylindrical shape... the bottom side is also attached to the slope, I'm not sure how that would work
2024-11-15 17:10:26
oh and Chris, when I did that, only like 5 triangles were merged
2024-11-15 17:29:06
Wait, I got an idea for the steering shaft!
2024-11-15 17:29:43
what is it?
2024-11-15 18:01:38
Half a cylinder! An 8\2-4cyli.dat primitive has exactly enough vertices!
Improved the steering shaft and replaced part of it with a 8\2-4cyli.dat.
2024-11-15 18:12:30
Jasper Speelman [JappaWakka] made the following comment:
oh and Chris, when I did that, only like 5 triangles were merged
I actually meant that there were only 5 rectangle primitives after the rectifier, so probably 10 triangles instead
oh and Chris, when I did that, only like 5 triangles were merged
I actually meant that there were only 5 rectangle primitives after the rectifier, so probably 10 triangles instead
2024-11-15 18:48:03
It is actually more about turning line type 3 into type 4 (normal quadrilaterals, not rect prims), which should be 38 or something.
I guess most of those prims are ok though.
I guess most of those prims are ok though.
2024-11-15 19:12:33
It seems I haven't made the steering shaft long enough yet. I'll work on it after the weekend probably because it's my birthday tomorrow and I'll be celebrating it tomorrow and the day after that XD
2024-11-15 19:14:22
Or maybe I can work on it tomorrow morning, we'll see... :)
Improve the steering shaft even more (it wasn't long/tall enough).
Found the part, all outer sides are equally "sloped" -> no edge at the back, goes straight to the top
same for front and sides, the outernmost faces are on a sloped plane
same for front and sides, the outernmost faces are on a sloped plane
2024-11-18 11:05:25
and the "hand" doesnt end at the "wheel", there should be some overlap/grip (the "hand" is round like a minifig hand)
Reworked the arms, hands, feet and seat. Also tweaked the steering shaft again.
Forgot to make a couple of edges sharp
2024-11-18 13:27:31
the side bend in the Seat was ok...
base of the part: 16mm
bend: 15,4mm
top of the seat: 10,6mm
but the rear is sloped (two parts back to back have a gap of 1.2mm at the top)
base of the part: 16mm
bend: 15,4mm
top of the seat: 10,6mm
but the rear is sloped (two parts back to back have a gap of 1.2mm at the top)
same at the feet: toe to toe are 0,8mm (to front and sideways)
there is no gap behind the fingers to the steering wheel
bend is at 4mm from the bottom
there is no gap behind the fingers to the steering wheel
bend is at 4mm from the bottom
Fixed some issues with lines (I added too many) and tweaked the model a little.
Fixed some more issues
Hopefully the shoulder/arm looks good now
Attached the fingers to the wheel
Small tweak
the three rects at the top should be something like that:
1 16 8 -2 -16 0 0 8 2 0 0 0 -1 0 rect3.dat
1 16 6.5 -24 16 0 0 6.5 0 1 0 2.5 0 0 rect3.dat
1 16 14.5 -17.25 -17 0 0 4.5 0 1 0 2 0 0 rect.dat
(measured from physical part)
- there is no gap between foot and hand
- add the side bend at the seat back (full edgeline at the side) - from slightly inclined to more inclined
- where did you get the mesh?
1 16 8 -2 -16 0 0 8 2 0 0 0 -1 0 rect3.dat
1 16 6.5 -24 16 0 0 6.5 0 1 0 2.5 0 0 rect3.dat
1 16 14.5 -17.25 -17 0 0 4.5 0 1 0 2 0 0 rect.dat
(measured from physical part)
- there is no gap between foot and hand
- add the side bend at the seat back (full edgeline at the side) - from slightly inclined to more inclined
- where did you get the mesh?
2024-11-19 08:18:54
I made the mesh myself from scratch using BforArtists/Blender because it works miles better than ldpe for modeling. the rects at the top of the file are added by the rectifier. almost every time I export the model to ldraw and use the rectifier, the amount of rects usually changes. what would happen if I changed the rects to that, won't there be gaps?
I'll add the side bend and make sure there's no gap between the hand and the foot
I'll add the side bend and make sure there's no gap between the hand and the foot
2024-11-19 08:28:24
from the reference pictures I have it's hard to see how the hand is connected..
2024-11-19 09:40:10
Your measurements for the rects don't match up with the model very well
Added seat side bend, tried to fix the gap between the wrist and the foot, and other small tweaks
2024-11-19 10:02:17
oh wait I forgot to add the edge line
Closed the gap between the hand and the foot, added the side line
Forgot an edge line
2024-11-19 10:27:25
hm, i have two of these parts, which makes it easy to measure the slopes (and they are more prominent than the standard unmolding slope)
you can see them from above (like the top View in LDPE), but even more in side view of two on the same brick.
you can see them from above (like the top View in LDPE), but even more in side view of two on the same brick.
2024-11-19 11:20:46
attached some pics in the forum post
2024-11-19 12:07:12
Thanks, I'll try to figure some stuff out later
Tried to make it more accurate, added two 1-4cyls primitives to the bottom of the steering shaft, made the outer parts more slope-y and replaced all the cond/edgelines generated by ExportLDraw (the blender plugin I use) with cond/edgelines by Edger2.
Joined some quads and moved them to the main file (making part of the model not symmetrical for optimization purposes), also fixed the feet to the coordinates Rene mentioned in the forum thread. Uploaded from my phone btw, hope that doesn't mess something up.
imagine a plane from the bottom line to the top of the foot
-> then rotate it around to all main sides
all outer vertexes are on it (if you look at it from the front, you can see only the foot, nothing outside it)
all sides have the same angle (if you put a second one turned behind it, the sides are in line)
-> then rotate it around to all main sides
all outer vertexes are on it (if you look at it from the front, you can see only the foot, nothing outside it)
all sides have the same angle (if you put a second one turned behind it, the sides are in line)
Optimized the model some more based on the latest suggestions in the forum post.
2024-11-23 09:22:58
But Rene, that means that the back seat is not sloped the right way either :O
2024-11-23 10:19:39
yes, all outer slopes are the same:
1 16 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 41850.dat
1 16 0 0 40 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 41850.dat
should show one single plane across both parts... (all sides)
1 16 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 41850.dat
1 16 0 0 40 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 41850.dat
should show one single plane across both parts... (all sides)
2024-11-24 09:20:53
Then I think the sides are too angled because the sides are at a 10 degrees angle and if I do that with the feet, they're angled too much
2024-11-24 09:21:20
5 degrees might be more plausable
2024-11-24 09:23:57
but then the feet wouldn't be at the coordinates you mentioned... this is confusing
Based on the reference photos I decided on aligning each of the four outer sides as well as I could to a 86,65 degrees slope (90 degrees or upright minus 3,35 degrees). I also applied the steering shaft suggestion of Javier Orquera in a way I thought looked good
2024-11-24 11:32:27
looks much better...
The 2 edge lines on the inside, viewed from bottom should be changed to condlines.
2 4 12.114 -5.446 13.317 12.153 -5.446 8.922
2 4 11.546 -10.318 -8.419 12.319 -7.702 -9.997
2 4 12.114 -5.446 13.317 12.153 -5.446 8.922
2 4 11.546 -10.318 -8.419 12.319 -7.702 -9.997
2024-11-24 18:24:16
How do I make them condlines?
2024-11-24 18:27:32
Oh wait nvm I think I got it
Changed two lines to condlines as requested
Missing condlines, at the ends of the lo-res steering axle primitive:
2 4 0 -17.648 -15.511 1.06065 -17.469331 -15.108727
2 4 0 -11.071 -18.439 1.06065 -10.891331 -18.037727
Unmatched vertices here:
2 4 0 -10.65 -18.51 1.06065 -10.594349 -18.088224
2 4 1.06065 -10.594349 -18.088224 1.5 -10.46 -17.07
2 4 0 -17.648 -15.511 1.06065 -17.469331 -15.108727
2 4 0 -11.071 -18.439 1.06065 -10.891331 -18.037727
Unmatched vertices here:
2 4 0 -10.65 -18.51 1.06065 -10.594349 -18.088224
2 4 1.06065 -10.594349 -18.088224 1.5 -10.46 -17.07
2024-11-25 13:45:28
Magnus how do I add condlines? I found a condline button, I click one vertex, I click the other, but whatever key I press, I can't apply my selection. Please explain this to me because it has bothered me for sooo long,,,
2024-11-25 13:48:40
I also don't know what you mean by unmatched vertices
2024-11-25 14:10:14
The main part adds... some condlines I think but also leaves out two and I don't know why or what to do about it
2024-11-25 21:12:36
I made an explanation here:
https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-28488-post-55687.html#pid55687
https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-28488-post-55687.html#pid55687
I managed to get the missing condlines around the steering shaft to show up and fixed some vertices not aligning with the other vertices. Even though everything should align now, the vertices are not merged automatically somehow, so if the model needs adjusting later, I must remember to merge the vertices around the 8\2-4cyli.dat.
I also renamed the part's description to "Minifig Brick 2 x 2 with Steering Wheel" (I remembered reading that the numbers in 2 x 2 need a space in front of them if they're less than 2 digits each)
I added Racers to the keywords, but also driver as it's part of the bricklink part's description and people might be searching for that. Feel free to correct me on that.
I also renamed the part's description to "Minifig Brick 2 x 2 with Steering Wheel" (I remembered reading that the numbers in 2 x 2 need a space in front of them if they're less than 2 digits each)
I added Racers to the keywords, but also driver as it's part of the bricklink part's description and people might be searching for that. Feel free to correct me on that.
I found a tool in ldpe called the Unificator that apparently can merge unmatched vertices that are close to each other. It seemed to have done something. Let me know if it was enough or if I need to increase the merge margin
Fixed two vertices I forgot
2024-11-30 10:01:44
should the single full lines on the inside get converted into condlines? and it looks like the "wall" between inside and the valley at the seat front is too thin...
Released the low-res primitives into regular faces (put them into the subpart as they were symmetrical anyway). I've made a back-up in case there is a change of mind, but I think it's a good idea because Bricklink Studio automatically replaces the low-res primitives with high-res ones.
2024-11-30 13:50:22
"and it looks like the "wall" between inside and the valley at the seat front is too thin..." wait... which wall do you mean?
2024-11-30 13:53:16
Oh, I may know what you mean...
2024-11-30 14:11:13
I'll probably be able to fix that tomorrow
2024-11-30 14:30:48
should the end of the "sleeve" (from arm to hand) get lines instead of condlines?
2024-12-01 10:55:06
I don't understand
2024-12-01 10:55:32
the wrist you mean?
Replaced the lines on the inside with condlines and added a bit of space between the outside and inside near the back. Also fixed the wrist a little.
2024-12-03 06:21:08
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