Unofficial File parts/4365.dat
Part Attributes:
File Header:
0 Slope Brick 33/45 6 x 4 with 2 x 2 Cutout Type 1 (Bottom side)
0 Name: 4365.dat
0 Author: Massimo Maso [Sirio]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Unofficial_Part
0 !LICENSE Licensed under CC BY 4.0 : see CAreadme.txt
0 BFC CERTIFY CCW
0 !KEYWORDS BrickLink 13269, Cockpit, Rebrickable 13269, Roof, Train
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Official parents and subparts
Part Events:
2025-04-18 00:27:44
not an alias, this number is another variant with a different bottom
New version with different bottom than 13269.
A new description is needed for 13269 and that of this part will also have to be improved.
A new description is needed for 13269 and that of this part will also have to be improved.
2025-10-20 19:17:11
will the other one als get reworked? with common subfile?
because RB doesnt differentiate, should we unlink it? BL has the correct version, but the BL link comes from RB and is thus wrong...
because RB doesnt differentiate, should we unlink it? BL has the correct version, but the BL link comes from RB and is thus wrong...
2025-10-20 19:38:47
BL uses "Wedge 6 x 4 Cutout (Train Roof) with 5 [other one 9] Large Bottom Tubes" doesn't sound too bad to me.
Other suggestion would be:
Old one: "Slope Brick 33/45 6 x 4 with 2 x 2 Cutout Type 1 (Divided Bottom Cavity)"
This one: "Slope Brick 33/45 6 x 4 with 2 x 2 Cutout Type 2 (Single Bottom Cavity)"
If the word Type is included, the older one should be Type 1.
Other suggestion would be:
Old one: "Slope Brick 33/45 6 x 4 with 2 x 2 Cutout Type 1 (Divided Bottom Cavity)"
This one: "Slope Brick 33/45 6 x 4 with 2 x 2 Cutout Type 2 (Single Bottom Cavity)"
If the word Type is included, the older one should be Type 1.
2025-10-21 00:19:59
I don't think there's much in common between the two files. only the external surfaces, which could be decorated with a pattern. In my opinion it is not worth it.
You're right, I'm removing references to 13269 in this file. They are left over from the Alias version.
For reasons of numbering and geometry I think that 4365 is the oldest original type and 13269 is the most recent updated version. When Max Martin Richter did part 13269 he probably didn't notice the two versions.
So, for me 4365 is Type 1 and 13269 is Type 2.
Anyway, that's exactly why I asked if you have any ideas on what to call them.
You're right, I'm removing references to 13269 in this file. They are left over from the Alias version.
For reasons of numbering and geometry I think that 4365 is the oldest original type and 13269 is the most recent updated version. When Max Martin Richter did part 13269 he probably didn't notice the two versions.
So, for me 4365 is Type 1 and 13269 is Type 2.
Anyway, that's exactly why I asked if you have any ideas on what to call them.
2025-10-21 00:36:23
Historically 4365 is the newer version.
4365 is a recent mold change happening like 2-3 years ago at best. 13269 is far older. The mold change is more in system and saves material. This entire part is based on an older one from 1991 and the cavities are leftovers from this. When Max wrote 13269 the new version simply did not exist at all.
These 4-digit numbers that kept popping up the recent years fill in gaps left in the 80s and 90s, since they ran out of 5-digit ones. Now that these gaps begin closing, we see the first 6-digit IDs appear.
Design IDs have become increasingly arbitrary after 2002.
Brickset:
4365 Released between 2023-2025
https://brickset.com/parts/design-4365
13269 Released between 2013-2023
https://brickset.com/parts/design-13269
4365 is a recent mold change happening like 2-3 years ago at best. 13269 is far older. The mold change is more in system and saves material. This entire part is based on an older one from 1991 and the cavities are leftovers from this. When Max wrote 13269 the new version simply did not exist at all.
These 4-digit numbers that kept popping up the recent years fill in gaps left in the 80s and 90s, since they ran out of 5-digit ones. Now that these gaps begin closing, we see the first 6-digit IDs appear.
Design IDs have become increasingly arbitrary after 2002.
Brickset:
4365 Released between 2023-2025
https://brickset.com/parts/design-4365
13269 Released between 2013-2023
https://brickset.com/parts/design-13269
2025-10-21 00:38:14
2876 is the "first" version of this family. The length was reduced, since it no longer needed to fit the train front which was phased out in 2003.
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